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hey guys

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how's it going so

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so i'm actually still waiting for mick

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to jump on

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um we spoke a couple of hours ago he

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knew it was gonna be eight o'clock so no

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that's cool no problem

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so let's just hang out chat in the

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comments thank you so much for being

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here guys

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you guys are here right now um

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yeah so mick has just

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arrived so without further ado guys

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please

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let me introduce mr mcquest hello mick

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can you hear me

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hello i've been here so i can hear you

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now good thank you so much for joining

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me mick how are you today

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great very good very welcome to have

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free glad to be here sorry i'm a little

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late

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no no no no problem at all set yourself

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up no rush whatsoever this is a

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relaxed a relaxed place so it's not it's

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not too formal or anything so jolly good

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so listen mick i'm confused i thought

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you were uk based being a brit so where

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are you i'm in sunny california although

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in sacramento northern california right

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right

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very good very good so mick what i

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wanted to do tonight was just

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just have a bit of a casual chat if

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anything yes we will

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touch on some of the videos that you've

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um done some analysis of and things like

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that but it's certainly by no means a

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you know a hijack interview or anything

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like that i just want you to be aware of

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that because i know that a lot of people

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a lot of people assumed it might be that

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kind of thing and it's certainly not i

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just like to try and get every aspect of

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points of view from people who look at

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this subject you know so

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i think naturally the first thing i'd

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like to know is just about

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your background you know being british

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like myself

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where where you were born just every you

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know just

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however much detail you want to go into

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basically well i was born in yorkshire

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and that's where i am yeah yeah uh

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yes you are aren't you you're in leeds

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is that right i'm in sheffield

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sheffield right yes uh yeah so i'm a bit

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north of you uh i was

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i grew up in bingley small town near

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uh and then i went to manchester uh

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madison university you missed it was

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called at the time it was a

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portion of manchester university and

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then i got into video game programming i

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guess around

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about 1990 i went to work a few

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companies ended up at ocean software in

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and then got a job in the united states

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then uh with a couple of other guys

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splailed around for a while and then

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tony hawk pro skater yes i know it very

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well i mean i have a skateboarding

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background funnily enough so yeah i

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remember when it came out in my

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i see it that's a tony hawk did you meet

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uh yeah yes a few times yeah he would

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come around the office sometimes and he

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attend our parties i met him like last

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uh because there's a documentary called

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pretending i'm a superman

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which i have the uh where is it up there

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uh and it's a documentary about the

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the tony hawk's pro skater game series

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and stuff like that it's very

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interesting highly recommend it

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there's something we have in common

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instantly we both met tony hawk i think

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i met him in about 89 or 90.

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quite a while back now but uh ah that's

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and i've definitely heard of i mean i

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absolutely yeah but

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so is neversoft still going no no they

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kind of got folded into um

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i can't remember what they're called

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there's three call of duty teams isn't

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the one that was there was this local

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those a few years back never mind

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people those people yes they kept going

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games and after that they did a game

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called gun and then they did

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then at that point they kind of got

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that's that's kind of you just stuck

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and stayed out in california ever since

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and uh she doesn't want to move so

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yeah it's a tough life having to live in

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that beautiful sunshine you know

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so yeah well her family's all up here as

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it's all good now that's good so let's

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talk about metabunk obviously that's

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website and stuff when did that first

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made you start it that's been going like

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uh it actually grew out of another

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website called contrail science

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chemtrails conspiracy theory

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conspiracy theory and then started

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blogging about it and that

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that grew the metabolic site where we

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you know things like that so what kind

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of fun things to talk about

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storming of the capital yes uh but after

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lightweight which was uh

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as lightweight as it is i was just going

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to say that not so much lightweight

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that's in that's really cool so listen

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i'm going to apologize now if you see me

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looking off the screen i've got a little

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like broad list of various things to

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chemtrails and that and you are now on

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looking at metabunk is that you actually

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everyone knows you for looking at the

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big navy cases and things like that but

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so what made you do that lightweight uh

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ufo cases because uh originally

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interesting things that they're like 3d

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where something goes wrong in a video

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like falling off when you should have

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now you still do these things where you

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freeze the game and you record all the

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inputs and things and you have them all

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what was going on with

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the vectors and whatnot yeah and so i'm

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very used to analyzing things in 3d

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and that's essentially kind of what ufo

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what you can see and trying to figure

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out what's going on

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in 3d space where is this object so i've

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always just found

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these things to be entertaining little

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puzzles and they're also sometimes

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things you can replicate yourself

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which was

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there's been a little flurry of uh what

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white tic tacs behind trees and they

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they're flying along and they see they

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move like this they move kind of left

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and right and it was

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right and these only started coming out

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recently and

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mean people were calling them tic tacs

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but before the user called them cigars

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you know they don't take text because of

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this of course

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the case yeah but the other thing is is

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uh all have built-in image stabilization

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is it kind of looks at what you're

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looking at in the scene and it tries to

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stabilize that

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so when you're looking up you see a tree

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and there's this little white dot behind

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it it stabilizes the tree

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and when you move it keeps the tree

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stabilized but the object behind it

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moves around so this

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little quirk of technology that's only

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occurred over the past like you know

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three or four years

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has created a whole slew of of uh

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of ufo reports and that's the type of

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like fun little thing that i like

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i like looking into no that makes sense

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i mean i

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i get sent a lot of videos similar to

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that tic tacs

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a lot of the time i find that it is just

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lack of quality with video game video

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game

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phone cameras and that it's just blurred

301
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an aeroplane out it's not showing the

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wings or the tail and things like that

303
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absolutely it's unfortunate um but

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i mean i will caveat that with some

305
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videos

306
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i've looked at with forensic software

307
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i've got friends that do it and we

308
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haven't come to a conclusive answer on

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some

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um maybe it does warrant more people

311
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looking at it but

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you know that's that's the way it goes

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um

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but have you come across any of these

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kind of amateur videos that you haven't

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been able to kind of

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debunk or just form a you know a

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conclusion

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that's the thing like that there's

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always videos that you can't debunk

321
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because there's not enough information

322
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in the video like you say like phone

323
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cameras aren't very good

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uh it's kind of like this this

325
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this basal flaw but a fatal flourish

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the tragedy of ufology is

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that if something is close enough to be

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identified

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it's no longer a ufo and it's not no

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longer a ufo in the way that it's

331
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something entertaining or interesting

332
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like

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from russia

334
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it's it's usually something very boring

335
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so you've either got things that are

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too far away to be identified too blurry

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or it's too dark or whatever they're

338
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moving too fast or the camera's too

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crappy

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or you've got close-up photographs of uh

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of planes and birds and balloons and

342
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things like that so

343
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you know there's all this stuff here

344
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maybe out there beyond

345
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the boundary of the low information zone

346
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there is

347
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here's something interesting to take

348
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photographs of but so far we get the

349
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crappy photographs

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of things all blurry iphone photographs

351
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some shaky videos and things

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or we get things that are identified and

353
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they're boring

354
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so it's uh yeah i see things all the

355
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time that i can't identify

356
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but there's nothing of the there's

357
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nothing that you would sorry

358
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yeah but there's nothing that you would

359
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actually genuinely say

360
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i don't know what that is i've got the

361
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information um and i'm not saying

362
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alien spaceship i'm just saying it's

363
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that point where you

364
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cannot quite put your finger on it you

365
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know would you admit to something like

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that

367
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or do you just this is the challenge of

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ufology

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is to demonstrate that there is evidence

370
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of something incredible

371
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yeah which means you need um

372
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essentially like ideally what you would

373
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need

374
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is is close-up video from multiple

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angles of an alien spaceship flying

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around the sky

377
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but you know obviously that's not going

378
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to happen but

379
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what what people claim is happening is

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that there are these crap that made

381
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these amazing movements

382
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and sometimes they show a video of them

383
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making these amazing movements now

384
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what we need there i think is a

385
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video of those types of things which can

386
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be just lights in the sky

387
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right actually demonstrate some kind of

388
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incredible motion

389
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so we've got all these historical cases

390
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like there's this cases from the 1950s

391
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where people have seen on radar they see

392
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things moving at 4 000 miles per hour

393
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and you know they make a note of that or

394
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whatever

395
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or you get the stories from the nimitz

396
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encounter of things dropping down from

397
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80 000 feet to

398
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to whatever in 0.78 seconds

399
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uh but you know we either don't have the

400
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data or we only have data from one

401
00:13:14,069 --> 00:13:13,279
angle like a a video from one angle you

402
00:13:15,509 --> 00:13:14,079
can sure

403
00:13:16,710 --> 00:13:15,519
video from multiple angles you can

404
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triangulate it you can figure out

405
00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:19,040
exactly what its path is in 3d space

406
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and you can prove that that is something

407
00:13:24,790 --> 00:13:22,720
extraordinary

408
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but then if we don't have the radar data

409
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for example say on something like the

410
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limits case

411
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and then you go by the video what then

412
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happens if we do get the radar data and

413
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it conflicts with

414
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the analysis maybe you've done on the

415
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video footage

416
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or are you convinced that it will add to

417
00:13:44,069 --> 00:13:42,720
your analysis like where's the kind of

418
00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:44,079
do you know i mean no i don't know what

419
00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:45,360
it what will happen i mean it depends on

420
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the data doesn't it

421
00:13:53,350 --> 00:13:49,760
sure if if i get data that shows

422
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unequivocally that the object that is

423
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seen on screen

424
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can be specifically identified as being

425
00:14:01,350 --> 00:13:58,480
the object on the radar

426
00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:01,360
which is a question in itself and then

427
00:14:05,189 --> 00:14:03,519
it shoots off very rapidly

428
00:14:06,949 --> 00:14:05,199
but no one's even said they saw it shoot

429
00:14:09,269 --> 00:14:06,959
off rapidly uh

430
00:14:10,710 --> 00:14:09,279
chad underwood who took the video says

431
00:14:13,750 --> 00:14:10,720
that after he went off

432
00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:13,760
he asked the princeton and the hawkeye

433
00:14:17,269 --> 00:14:16,000
if they could see anything and they said

434
00:14:18,150 --> 00:14:17,279
you know picture clean they couldn't see

435
00:14:19,670 --> 00:14:18,160
anything

436
00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:19,680
they didn't say that they saw it shoot

437
00:14:23,509 --> 00:14:21,519
off they didn't say that they shot it

438
00:14:25,350 --> 00:14:23,519
saw it disappear they just said that

439
00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:25,360
they couldn't see it when he asked

440
00:14:28,389 --> 00:14:27,680
if there was something there so we don't

441
00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:28,399
really know

442
00:14:31,910 --> 00:14:30,240
what the radar will show if it shows

443
00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:31,920
something that contradicts

444
00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:34,720
um you know some hypothesis i've made in

445
00:14:37,829 --> 00:14:35,839
the past then yeah

446
00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:37,839
i modify my hypotheses that's what

447
00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:40,240
science is all about new information

448
00:14:44,870 --> 00:14:43,360
changes uh changes everything i think

449
00:14:47,189 --> 00:14:44,880
i think that's what people want to hear

450
00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:47,199
as well i think that's really important

451
00:14:50,230 --> 00:14:49,600
uh thank you bricktop for the super chat

452
00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:50,240
and

453
00:14:53,910 --> 00:14:52,160
i guess we've got a question mick you

454
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:53,920
realize that the full breadth of data is

455
00:14:58,230 --> 00:14:56,079
kept from us on purpose right

456
00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:58,240
does government secrecy ever factor into

457
00:15:01,110 --> 00:14:59,600
your thinking

458
00:15:02,470 --> 00:15:01,120
well all the time yeah i mean that's one

459
00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:02,480
of the another one of the huge

460
00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:04,800
challenges of ufology is that you've got

461
00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:06,480
all this stuff that supposedly exists in

462
00:15:10,389 --> 00:15:07,760
secret

463
00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:10,399
uh and there is a lot of information

464
00:15:14,230 --> 00:15:12,240
that exists in secret but we don't know

465
00:15:17,670 --> 00:15:14,240
what it is so it's kind of difficult

466
00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:17,680
to make any determinations about it

467
00:15:22,389 --> 00:15:21,120
and bricktop says it's kept from us on

468
00:15:26,230 --> 00:15:22,399
purpose

469
00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:26,240
to hide the truth about aliens from us

470
00:15:30,069 --> 00:15:28,240
error is the purpose to

471
00:15:32,629 --> 00:15:30,079
hide the capabilities of our spyware one

472
00:15:34,150 --> 00:15:32,639
radar from the chinese

473
00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:34,160
the reason they don't just release all

474
00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:35,839
their radar tapes all the time is

475
00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:38,160
because it would reveal the capabilities

476
00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:40,560
of that radar they don't want to even

477
00:15:44,629 --> 00:15:42,160
release the affirmative video

478
00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:44,639
you know the three videos that we have

479
00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:46,320
especially the last two gimbal and go

480
00:15:48,790 --> 00:15:46,880
fest

481
00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:48,800
are the best examples of affiliate

482
00:15:53,189 --> 00:15:50,399
videos that exist

483
00:15:54,949 --> 00:15:53,199
in the entire world uh in all of human

484
00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:54,959
history well you know to our knowledge

485
00:15:59,990 --> 00:15:58,000
of course but in public

486
00:16:01,749 --> 00:16:00,000
yes youtube and you look you look for

487
00:16:03,189 --> 00:16:01,759
videos there's there's nothing that even

488
00:16:03,990 --> 00:16:03,199
vaguely approaches that quality and

489
00:16:08,069 --> 00:16:04,000
there's only about

490
00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:08,079
maybe like like two other videos that

491
00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:09,600
even show outflare there's maybe a

492
00:16:12,550 --> 00:16:11,040
couple that just show it like down in

493
00:16:13,829 --> 00:16:12,560
the corner of the guy's cockpit but you

494
00:16:16,150 --> 00:16:13,839
can't really see anything

495
00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:16,160
right but you know it's this is

496
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:18,000
classified data

497
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:20,079
the military didn't want to release

498
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:22,079
these these videos because

499
00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:24,320
they're classified and they they reveal

500
00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:26,240
capabilities of the app fleer system

501
00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:27,279
which is a

502
00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:28,800
a system they don't want the enemy

503
00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:30,320
knowing about you try to look up the

504
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:31,920
applier system the the

505
00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:33,839
specifications you know what type of

506
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:35,279
ledgers it uses and things like that you

507
00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:36,959
can't find the information because it's

508
00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:37,440
all

509
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:40,560
from us

510
00:16:43,749 --> 00:16:43,040
on purpose but yeah i don't think the

511
00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:43,759
purpose is

512
00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:46,320
necessarily some kind of giant cover-up

513
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:47,839
it's just secrecy

514
00:16:51,829 --> 00:16:50,399
could it be partly part of it are you

515
00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:51,839
open to the possibility

516
00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:54,000
it could be but again what are we basing

517
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:56,160
that on what are we basing that theory

518
00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:56,880
on

519
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:00,000
uh do we know that the government has

520
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:03,839
information about um

521
00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:06,480
amazing characteristics of of craft that

522
00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:08,000
it's not telling us about

523
00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:11,120
now there's an extra the uap report

524
00:17:15,189 --> 00:17:13,600
the yeah that told us that the

525
00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:15,199
conclusions of the classified version

526
00:17:17,909 --> 00:17:16,160
are pretty much the same as the

527
00:17:18,630 --> 00:17:17,919
conclusions of the unclassified version

528
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:18,640
so

529
00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:20,240
yeah i really think they have anything

530
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:21,600
but i know what you mean but then we've

531
00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:22,640
got to look back at

532
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:25,360
the historical record that may not say

533
00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:26,480
too much

534
00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:29,840
other than testimony witness testimony

535
00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:31,600
things like that i mean are you open to

536
00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:34,000
that or are you just instantly looking

537
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:36,000
from a perspective for me personally i

538
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:37,919
need more than witness testimony is that

539
00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:39,440
not enough for you

540
00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:42,240
uh it's it's not ideal it's great if

541
00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:43,280
that's all you've got

542
00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:46,480
yeah if you uh if somebody gets murdered

543
00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:48,400
you ask eyewitnesses you know what's

544
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:49,200
what they saw

545
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:52,240
but half the time they get it wrong uh

546
00:17:56,789 --> 00:17:54,960
half the time yeah yeah i was just

547
00:18:00,630 --> 00:17:56,799
looking at some statistics on this like

548
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:00,640
when you actually ask people to

549
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:03,600
identify people uh from a lined up from

550
00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:05,280
like a certain types of brief encounters

551
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:06,240
they saw somebody

552
00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:08,799
like shoot somebody and run off half the

553
00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:09,520
time they get the

554
00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:11,600
get them wrong the id the wrong guy in

555
00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:13,360
the in the lineup

556
00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:15,600
uh eyewitness accounts aren't very good

557
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:18,160
there's lots of classic cases there was

558
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:21,280
there was kind of a prank played on um

559
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:22,880
i can remember professor condon of the

560
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:24,400
condon report

561
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:26,559
back in the 50s where there was some

562
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:28,160
ufos flying around

563
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:30,240
this college and they they started

564
00:18:32,789 --> 00:18:31,200
interviewing people because it was the

565
00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:32,799
college where professor condon was he

566
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:33,679
was the guy who was

567
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:36,240
doing this investigation into ufos sure

568
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:37,440
and they investigated all these

569
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:38,400
witnesses and

570
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:39,520
the weird thing was they all kind of

571
00:18:42,150 --> 00:18:41,039
gave different accounts some of them

572
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:42,160
gave you know

573
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:44,559
like it was fast or slow or there's like

574
00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:46,160
one or this or five things

575
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:47,600
or some of them saw these things like

576
00:18:51,110 --> 00:18:49,120
zip off really rapidly which is a

577
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,120
classic ufo thing

578
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:53,760
uh but it turned out it was you know

579
00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:54,960
literally and this is kind of funny it

580
00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:56,559
was it was chinese lanterns you know

581
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:58,720
these kind of sky lanterns these paper

582
00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:00,799
uh lanterns with a bit of bit of fire in

583
00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:02,240
the bottom they just float around and

584
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:03,919
the lights in the sky

585
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,600
yeah it fooled a whole bunch of people

586
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:07,200
and they all gave different

587
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:09,120
accounts and this is something you see

588
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:10,880
time and time again when you get

589
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:14,240
multiple eyewitnesses to either things

590
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:16,080
that are known or even things that are

591
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:17,039
unknown

592
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,160
you often get very divergent accounts

593
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,320
even if we know for a fact that they saw

594
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:24,480
the same thing we get these diversion to

595
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:25,280
counts

596
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:26,880
so there's definite problems with

597
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:28,720
eyewitnesses take the

598
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:31,919
the the nimitz case uh we've got two

599
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:33,600
eyewitnesses who have spoken

600
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,679
at length on it which is alex dietrich

601
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:37,520
and uh commander david fraver

602
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:40,880
yeah who actually saw it uh but all

603
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,640
along david fraber has been saying

604
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:44,160
there were four of us and we watched it

605
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,760
for five minutes

606
00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:47,520
now alex dietrich comes along and she

607
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,320
says i only saw it for ten seconds

608
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:52,400
so there we've got a pretty major

609
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:55,600
discrepancy in in what actually happened

610
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:56,880
i understand where you're coming from

611
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:58,400
and i've seen this conversation play out

612
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,200
for the past

613
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:01,360
however long but i think sometimes maybe

614
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:03,039
time comes into it

615
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:06,080
also semantics might come into it

616
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:09,679
but again they are trained observers um

617
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:11,120
but i think it's what what they're

618
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:12,960
seeing though whether it's five minutes

619
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:14,880
or ten seconds

620
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:16,960
they're trained pilots but they would

621
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:18,480
know if it was something

622
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:19,440
but they would know if it was an

623
00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:21,520
airplane or an aircraft that was

624
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:24,080
or a balloon if it was an airplane or an

625
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,880
aircraft

626
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:26,240
uh they would they would probably

627
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,840
recognize it as such yeah but if it's

628
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:29,440
something that they weren't familiar

629
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:30,159
with

630
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:33,440
like a a type of target balloon or some

631
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:34,159
kind of

632
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:36,000
scientific balloon that's like lofting

633
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,600
up a package

634
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,200
that you know it's not something they

635
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:41,840
see whilst flying their planes around

636
00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:44,559
um even like what was it was it heineken

637
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:46,799
i think it might have been heineken

638
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:49,039
studied this and he said military pilots

639
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,000
don't actually make

640
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:52,640
good observers because they fit things

641
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:53,679
into boxes

642
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,039
they're very good at what they do

643
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,039
they're highly trained at

644
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,520
uh searching for other planes and

645
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:01,280
avoiding planes and then shooting planes

646
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:02,000
down and like

647
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:03,840
avoiding missiles and dropping bombs on

648
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:05,360
the right spot you know these types of

649
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:07,840
things they're really really good at

650
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:10,799
but are they really good at identifying

651
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:11,120
a

652
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:24,880
good

653
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:28,000
at their job it doesn't make them a

654
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:29,120
trained observer

655
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:31,200
but what about the fact that fravis said

656
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,880
for example that the like the flitting

657
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,080
motions of of this

658
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:36,240
of the tic tac and how it it rose to

659
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:37,679
meet him and then shot off

660
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:40,400
out of sight certainly no balloon can do

661
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:41,200
that

662
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,919
parallax solution

663
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,679
now he said he thought it was 40 feet

664
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:51,360
long now

665
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,559
i think he probably said he thought it

666
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,480
was 40 feet long because when you're

667
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:56,240
flying around with jets

668
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:57,760
everything else in the air is 40 feet

669
00:22:01,190 --> 00:22:00,000
long because your jets 40 feet long

670
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,200
all the other jets that you're

671
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:02,880
practicing with they're 40 feet long as

672
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,360
well

673
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,280
he said it's about the size of a hornet

674
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:06,480
the super horn in the plane he was

675
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:09,360
flying 40 feet long

676
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:12,000
but what if it was 20 feet long he said

677
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,360
it's completely featureless

678
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:15,120
you can't see any features on it so if

679
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,280
you don't know how big this thing is and

680
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,360
you've got no real context

681
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,679
you you don't know how far away it is so

682
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:23,200
he might have thought it's down by there

683
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,360
by the ocean and so when he starts

684
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,120
coming down to it if it's actually

685
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,360
only 20 feet long it's actually only

686
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:30,880
halfway to the ocean it's not down by

687
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,600
the ocean

688
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:33,039
so it looked from him perspective like

689
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,120
he was rising up to meet him

690
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,440
and then when he he thought they were

691
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:39,120
circling each other it could have been

692
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:39,760
just him

693
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:42,559
circling this thing because from what

694
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,919
you actually see

695
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,760
if you do like this 3d recreation and

696
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:47,360
you can go go to dave beat his

697
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,240
uh nimitz encounter the nimitz incident

698
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,720
video he does the sections of that way

699
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,400
you see the plane going around the

700
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:56,080
tic-tac and you can't tell whether that

701
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:57,679
tic-tac is even moving

702
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,720
because there's no context and then

703
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:02,159
he think he thinks he's going to fly

704
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:03,360
over to it it's on the other side of the

705
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,840
circle

706
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,960
but it's actually in the middle of the

707
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,799
circle when he flies to it it's going to

708
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:08,559
look like it accelerates really rapidly

709
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:09,360
towards him

710
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,480
and then flies off past him but it's

711
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:14,720
really probably not even moving he just

712
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,679
changes it

713
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,919
okay i mean i'm not here to argue these

714
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:20,000
points i'm here to ask you your opinions

715
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:21,120
and things like that and it's for

716
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:22,640
everyone else to decide

717
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:26,480
um yeah i find that hard to digest

718
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,679
personally but again i i can't argue

719
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:31,440
that point because we could be here all

720
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,799
day because we've seen it happen for the

721
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:34,320
past however many years so

722
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,919
i will leave that to everybody watching

723
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:37,440
right now um

724
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,039
and i wanted to really go through those

725
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,799
kind of cases with you to just kind of

726
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:42,320
get your opinion

727
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,360
as it stands to to today

728
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,440
to how you how you feel about them right

729
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:49,200
now so we've obviously just discussed

730
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:50,159
the tic tac

731
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,600
although maybe we should just talk about

732
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,679
the flare video where it shoots off to

733
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,039
the left let's say

734
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,679
no sure i think i know personally that

735
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,799
you think it's some

736
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,039
anomaly due to the flare system rather

737
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:04,240
than the craft or whatever the object is

738
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,520
i wouldn't even say it's it's that

739
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,360
complicated uh because

740
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:09,200
it's if you look at the video and you go

741
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,480
through it

742
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:13,440
you you know the the way the way the

743
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,400
tracking works

744
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,880
in in the flair video is essentially the

745
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,480
same way that my camera right now is

746
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:19,919
tracking my face now you can't see it

747
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,400
but on

748
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,760
on the little screen above my camera

749
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:23,120
there's a little box around my face and

750
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,000
if i move

751
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,799
it follows me around right so it's just

752
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:28,320
it's feature tracking it's tracking

753
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:29,679
something that it sees in the scene

754
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:30,880
and that's how the tracking works in the

755
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:33,279
appliance system is is it though i mean

756
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,799
that's that's the thing is like i hear

757
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,320
what you're saying but

758
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,320
this was explained by multiple people

759
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:40,159
david framer says it's a passive track

760
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,520
it's just using the pixels

761
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,960
uh other people have said the exact same

762
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,400
thing no one no one really disagrees

763
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:45,679
with this there's no radar tracking

764
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,000
going

765
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,840
on it's just a passive track it's just

766
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:49,039
using the pixels

767
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:50,799
that you see on screen it's basically

768
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,840
tracking a feature in the video

769
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,760
and you can you can you can actually

770
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:57,279
essentially verify this by

771
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,480
going through the video and looking at

772
00:25:01,669 --> 00:25:00,320
the various points in the video now the

773
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:01,679
important thing to do if you want to do

774
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,159
this

775
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:04,480
go through the entire video look for

776
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,600
each time

777
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,679
the the object kind of moves away from

778
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:09,120
the center you know and it always moves

779
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:10,799
towards the left this is something

780
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:13,440
that's of note every single time the

781
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,559
object moves

782
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,080
you see some kind of change in the

783
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:17,760
camera system like he's either changing

784
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,559
from tv mode to ir mode or back

785
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,720
or he's changing for the field of view

786
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,159
is being changed although some kind of

787
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,760
glitch interrupting

788
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,840
uh the the video feed you see kind of

789
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,919
lose lose the video for a second

790
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,520
so each time it's losing the video it

791
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,279
can't actually track the object

792
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,200
so it kind of loses confidence about

793
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:36,640
whether it's actually tracking it or not

794
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:37,600
and then it has to

795
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,480
widen the bars and whilst it's doing

796
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:42,159
that it's not tracking it so the object

797
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,760
actually moves off to the left

798
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,760
and the reason it moves off to the left

799
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,679
is is something that you can see

800
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,520
at the top of the video you see the the

801
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,440
the heading and you see that constantly

802
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:53,200
moving from i think like five right to

803
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,320
eight left

804
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,720
so you we know that the camera is moving

805
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,320
from left to right

806
00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,080
so the camera is following something

807
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,679
that's essentially moving in in that

808
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,880
direction

809
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:05,279
and each time we get a video

810
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:06,080
interruption

811
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,520
it loses lock a little bit but it

812
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:09,440
generally regains it and all that

813
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:10,080
happens

814
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,600
the only thing that's actually happening

815
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:13,840
at the end is that is the time

816
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:17,279
it doesn't regain lock and if you

817
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:19,039
carefully examine what's going on there

818
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,559
it's pretty clear what's going on

819
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,880
he'd switch to medium field of view

820
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:24,480
which just means he's widened the field

821
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,440
of view a bit

822
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:27,120
and then he switched back rather quickly

823
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,559
to narrow field of view

824
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,880
and you can see after he's switched back

825
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,880
it's already lost lock

826
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,799
the thing is already outside of the

827
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:36,159
little window

828
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:38,080
it tries to regain lockheed he widens

829
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,200
the bars but the thing is you're

830
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:41,039
starting to move off anyway because

831
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,480
you know the camera is no longer

832
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:44,080
tracking it so the camera still stays

833
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,559
fixed

834
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,320
the thing just just just drifts off

835
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,919
there's another there's a

836
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:50,080
uh there's a kind of an illusion where

837
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,279
it changes lock from one

838
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,120
it changes zoom from one times to two

839
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,279
times makes it look like it like

840
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:57,840
zooms uh off but it's really not if

841
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,559
you're actually

842
00:27:01,669 --> 00:27:00,159
correct for that it's just essentially

843
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,679
drifting off and it's not

844
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,440
it's not moving fast this is the thing

845
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:05,200
like you know underwood says it moved

846
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:06,559
off so fast that the camera couldn't

847
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,120
track it

848
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:08,880
it's moving at about half a degree per

849
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:11,600
second which is really really slow

850
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:15,120
you know these things can go they can go

851
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,480
like 90 degrees in a second so something

852
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,159
going off a half a degree a second

853
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,840
that's so slow i can barely even do it

854
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,360
with my hands here

855
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,600
he could easily attract that right so

856
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,799
all that's happening

857
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,159
is that he flipped through the camera

858
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:30,000
mode so quickly it lost the lock

859
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,360
and the thing just drifted off and he

860
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,600
didn't bother

861
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:35,200
changing modes on moving the camera he

862
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:36,799
could have easily have regained that

863
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,640
but for some reason he didn't and he

864
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,399
lost it i mean we've just got to come in

865
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,240
here from uh the signal didn't underwood

866
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:44,720
say his flea was slaved to his radar

867
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,399
he says that's how he got the initial

868
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,080
direction for the flare

869
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:51,039
so he says he had a hit on the radar and

870
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,440
then

871
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,919
he um switched to the fleet you know

872
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,440
castled over to the flare so he flipped

873
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,200
over to that screen

874
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,080
and the flare would have been pointing

875
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,600
in the direction that the radar was

876
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,880
indicating in theory

877
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:04,559
of course the radar was being jammed so

878
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:05,760
we don't know how accurate that would

879
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:06,399
have been

880
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,600
and then he picked up something on the

881
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:09,440
flare and got a passive track

882
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,640
which means that it's just tracking the

883
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:12,640
video okay i mean we've seen other

884
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:14,320
people speak about this case

885
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:17,679
across ufo twitter we've got dave falch

886
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,640
chris leto people like that and again

887
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,120
i'm i'm not here to

888
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,120
combat you on this because i'm by no

889
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,880
means an expert or even looked into that

890
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,960
kind of technical aspect of that so

891
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,240
i just want to reiterate for anyone

892
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:32,720
watching i'm not here to

893
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,960
argue with mick about what he's saying

894
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:36,640
i'm here to let mick put his point

895
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,200
across

896
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,320
and then we can take it from there

897
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:41,919
in the future and we'll see how this

898
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,000
plays out so i you know before

899
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,840
anybody comes at me or mick this is just

900
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:48,080
a conversation about viewpoints okay

901
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,720
i know people get heated about this um

902
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,399
thank you wilfred for the

903
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,720
donation mr west what is your best

904
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,399
evidence at this time for possible

905
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,000
evidence of non-human

906
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:00,559
or unknown technology hmm that's a

907
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,320
double evidence evidence for possible

908
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,070
i guess he's saying what's the best

909
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:08,559
evidence for proof of non-human

910
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:12,000
or unknown technology i don't really

911
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:12,640
know

912
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,360
videos and things like that are very

913
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,799
good evidence

914
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,799
and we don't really see anything when we

915
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,799
look out into space

916
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,960
we don't see any indications that any of

917
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,399
the nearby stars

918
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,000
have civilizations around them there's

919
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:30,080
no real radio signals coming from them

920
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,039
we don't see

921
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:33,039
dyson spheres being built around stars

922
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:34,480
and things like that

923
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,159
we haven't yet detected anything in

924
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,159
exoplanets that might be considered a

925
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:40,320
techno signature uh

926
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,679
and as for what's actually here i don't

927
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,039
think there really is

928
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:46,799
anything that's good so you're asking me

929
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,640
what's what's what's best

930
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:50,320
is really like you know scraping the

931
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,679
bottom of the barrel because i don't

932
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:53,760
think there is any good evidence

933
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:57,520
that things are aliens we do see things

934
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,159
in the sky that we can't identify

935
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,200
it's possible that that is something

936
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:05,840
yeah unknown technology yeah that's

937
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,640
that's not

938
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:08,159
something i would rule out it's possible

939
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:09,919
even that it's aliens

940
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,720
but i don't feel like the evidence is

941
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,799
really very strong

942
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,640
that's fair enough that's a question

943
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,640
asked and a question answered so

944
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,320
you know this is why people are asking

945
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,399
these things so um

946
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,240
here we go ben shapiro thank you for the

947
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,080
donation but all this said

948
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:28,399
then how did it just show up at the cap

949
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:29,200
point

950
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:32,720
what say you mickey uh

951
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,880
that's an interesting question and i

952
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:36,080
don't know the answer i mean this is

953
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:37,440
something that happened

954
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:41,120
17 years ago and i think what's

955
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:44,559
kind of happened is it's developed into

956
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:45,360
a story

957
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:48,159
kind of like you know we like a fishing

958
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,720
story

959
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,159
you know what actually happened the one

960
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,320
that got away that type of thing

961
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,760
and people have been telling the same

962
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:56,000
story for the same time i don't think we

963
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:56,880
really have

964
00:31:02,789 --> 00:30:58,960
the technical details as to what

965
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:04,389
what was actually at the cap point how

966
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,399
did it appear did they see it travel

967
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,240
from one position to the other

968
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:10,320
uh what happened after they saw it at

969
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,679
the cap point we just had this one

970
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,360
little anecdote you know hey skipper you

971
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,880
wouldn't believe this this is a

972
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:16,559
cat point now and then people start

973
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,919
repeating this this story and they've

974
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:19,679
been telling the same story for

975
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,760
you know well over a decade it kind of

976
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,919
gets gets fixed but

977
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,760
i don't i can't say i can find an

978
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:26,880
explanation for that because i don't

979
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:27,679
know

980
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,559
what was actually reported was it just a

981
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:32,240
signal at the cap point how close to the

982
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,600
cap point was that just within five

983
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,519
nautical miles of a point or

984
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,760
it was it something that was moving you

985
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:38,960
know if you talk to

986
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,760
kevin day he talks about how they were

987
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:42,960
tracking

988
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:46,080
um these groups of five he

989
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:49,279
says that fraver went to this one of a

990
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,799
group of five and that's the one that

991
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:52,240
was moving around and

992
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,519
he thinks that's the one that went to

993
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:55,279
the cat point and he thinks that it was

994
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,240
recorded and then

995
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,559
that one regained the group of five and

996
00:32:01,430 --> 00:32:00,000
if that was true

997
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,440
they were tracking it the whole time on

998
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,960
radar and fraver could have just been

999
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,640
vectored to it so you know why is this

1000
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,880
something that he told you directly

1001
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,799
yeah yeah it's in the interview i have

1002
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:10,159
with him right

1003
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,679
i mean i think that always helps as well

1004
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:13,120
is that you do speak to these people

1005
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,000
directly as well

1006
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:16,480
because i think you know it's all good

1007
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,039
reading

1008
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:19,360
statements and reports and things like

1009
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:20,080
that but

1010
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:23,200
so that's good um so let's let's move on

1011
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,679
i mean

1012
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:25,679
we can there are so many cases that we

1013
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,559
could cover um

1014
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,000
it's easy to stick to the main three

1015
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:32,240
navy but i think we've all if we

1016
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:35,519
i mean follow your work on ufo twitter

1017
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:36,720
that you put out and your

1018
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:38,240
your viewpoints in that but there are a

1019
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,600
couple of cases that i'd really like to

1020
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:41,200
get to that probably don't get spoken to

1021
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:42,399
as much the first one being the

1022
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,440
aguadilla puerto rico case in 2013.

1023
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,000
yeah so i think from what i can gather

1024
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,640
your viewpoint is that it is a balloon

1025
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,399
um but there is a lot of questions there

1026
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:54,720
about how come it hits the water and

1027
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:57,679
splits in two and continues to move

1028
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,919
yeah would a balloon do that you know

1029
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,440
yeah no that's a good question

1030
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:03,200
uh i think the aguadia thing is it's

1031
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:04,960
kind of very misunderstood like

1032
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,440
it looks like something that's flying

1033
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:08,799
around in a big circle around the

1034
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:09,360
airport

1035
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,480
and if you're familiar with the whole

1036
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:12,720
layout it's in the kind of the

1037
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,919
north west corner of puerto rico and

1038
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,760
this place called aguadilla which is

1039
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,360
a small town that has a bunch of tourist

1040
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,360
resorts along the beach

1041
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:23,440
and there's an airport which kind of

1042
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:24,640
runs east-west

1043
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,919
yeah fairly near to the to the ocean

1044
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,480
and this plane coast guard plane i think

1045
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,480
is is flying around and it's focused on

1046
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,080
this this little black object and it

1047
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:35,840
looks like this little black object

1048
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:38,799
is flying around in a big circle around

1049
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:39,360
and

1050
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,880
then it

1051
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,480
it seems like it kind of disappears in

1052
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:46,559
the water but you know there's a number

1053
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:47,440
of things about that

1054
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,880
yeah the the path

1055
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,279
of the object could be anywhere along

1056
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,919
the lines of sight that we're looking at

1057
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,440
so but people automatically kind of

1058
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,679
think that it's it's

1059
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,760
it's at the ground or it's at the at the

1060
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,960
ocean just because that's

1061
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,480
the conceptually the easiest thing to

1062
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,640
think about but if you actually project

1063
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,840
all the lines of sight and this is

1064
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,119
something i've done other people have

1065
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:11,440
extracted all the data for this case

1066
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,879
you can see they all kind of intersect

1067
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,560
in more or less in a line

1068
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:17,200
that's moving east west just north of

1069
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:17,919
the runway

1070
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,720
at about i think around about 800 feet

1071
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:22,560
and if you do a recreation

1072
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:25,359
of this of of an object moving along

1073
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,079
this path

1074
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,839
at a slow rate of speed about 10 miles

1075
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:29,280
per hour which is about the wind speed

1076
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:30,720
and that was the correct wind direction

1077
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:31,760
at that time

1078
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,040
it looks exactly the same as this video

1079
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:37,280
and the video has a few other issues as

1080
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,560
well like you talk about it

1081
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,079
going under the water and it looks like

1082
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,000
it's going under the water

1083
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:44,159
but what people don't realize if you

1084
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,839
kind of rewind that a little bit it also

1085
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,040
disappears

1086
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:48,960
when there's there's no water behind it

1087
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,320
when there's just trees behind it it

1088
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:51,520
fades

1089
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:54,720
out out of out of visibility uh

1090
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,359
and if you rebrand a bit further you

1091
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:58,720
find an interesting thing is that the

1092
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,599
coastline there

1093
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:02,400
isn't isn't flat this this uh this

1094
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,599
airport

1095
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:05,920
isn't you know at sea level it's at 200

1096
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:06,720
feet

1097
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,839
and right at the edge of the island it's

1098
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:11,440
a very steep cliff

1099
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,119
and the the object

1100
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,960
kind of looks like it goes smoothly off

1101
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:18,240
this cliff and just keeps going in a

1102
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:19,040
straight line

1103
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:20,000
and then it looks like it goes

1104
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,520
underwater but the thing is you never

1105
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,280
see it go down

1106
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:25,760
you you never actually decreases in

1107
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,400
altitude

1108
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:29,200
so we know like 10 seconds earlier it

1109
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,079
was a 200

1110
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:32,160
plus feet how did it get down to the

1111
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:33,440
water

1112
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,720
it doesn't make sense i i guess

1113
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,960
i could see just based on what you're

1114
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,160
saying

1115
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,560
could make sense i mean what i see is

1116
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,160
though is we have

1117
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:46,560
organizations like the scu covering this

1118
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,040
topic doing month-long studies and

1119
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,520
for people in the public i just regular

1120
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,800
people like myself and

1121
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,240
my viewers and stuff like that my

1122
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,800
colleagues who who are we supposed to

1123
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:58,079
believe like

1124
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,520
professional scientists or

1125
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:02,880
debunkers do you do you know where i'm

1126
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,280
coming from like i get this question all

1127
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,960
the time and actually i was gonna

1128
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,480
start writing an article about this very

1129
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,160
question uh it's it's

1130
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,240
it's a problem like you mentioned uh

1131
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,240
dave falch earlier yeah he's a guy who

1132
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,760
works on flea systems and you mentioned

1133
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:16,720
chris lato

1134
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,320
yeah uh who's an f-16 pilot retired

1135
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,320
and they recently did a video together

1136
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:24,720
where they they were analyzing

1137
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,839
the the gimbal system sure dave phelps

1138
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,359
was trying to explain to chris leto

1139
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:31,280
why it doesn't rotate and you know

1140
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,720
people

1141
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:34,000
in the comments section of that video

1142
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,280
they're going that's amazing dave that's

1143
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,880
a wonderful explanation it's so clear

1144
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:38,400
now i understand

1145
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,720
but the problem was dave's explanation

1146
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,560
was completely gobbledygook

1147
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,320
it made no sense whatsoever and he

1148
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,240
clearly really didn't understand

1149
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,839
what the hypothesis was that he was

1150
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,520
trying to debunk

1151
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,280
and you know chris listening to him

1152
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:52,640
didn't really understand what he was

1153
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,359
saying

1154
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:55,040
he eventually kind of gave up and said

1155
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:56,480
oh yeah i kind of understand

1156
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,680
but you can tell he really didn't so

1157
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,280
yeah the issue here is that just because

1158
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,880
someone

1159
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:05,119
seems like an expert and is is giving

1160
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,640
the answer that you want

1161
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,560
to be true it doesn't mean it's

1162
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:09,680
necessarily true

1163
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,720
like the scu they're you know

1164
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,800
a diverse bunch of people and they've

1165
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:16,160
got some people who know what they're

1166
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,440
talking about there but it doesn't mean

1167
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,280
they're immune to mistakes

1168
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:21,920
they make one fundamental error in the

1169
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:22,640
flare one

1170
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:25,920
you know the nimitz analysis where they

1171
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,520
basically just assume that the appliance

1172
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,359
system cannot lose lock

1173
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,960
and then they just base everything else

1174
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:35,119
on that one assumption which is clearly

1175
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,599
false

1176
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,359
if you actually honestly look at the

1177
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,200
video and look at what's going on

1178
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,599
in this video and i think they make

1179
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:43,599
similar assumptions about the aguadilla

1180
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,480
case

1181
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,119
they make the assumption that it goes

1182
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:48,800
under the water

1183
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:52,160
and if you start with that assumption

1184
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,520
that you know this little bit of the

1185
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:55,200
video is showing the object going under

1186
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,320
the water

1187
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,400
then you've got to basically assume it's

1188
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,920
a ground level the entire time and that

1189
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,320
basically move really fast and weird

1190
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:04,720
but i don't think that assumption holds

1191
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,839
up to analysis

1192
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,680
but i think as well though but what

1193
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,119
you're saying is that

1194
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:11,040
the scu covered the nimitz case they

1195
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,480
covered aguadilla

1196
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,160
they're both conflicting ideas to what

1197
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:16,160
you've put out so in theory

1198
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,280
it seems like you're saying they're

1199
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:19,520
wrong all the time that's kind of sure

1200
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:20,720
they're right a lot of the time

1201
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:24,240
uh this is okay like uh think of the

1202
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,280
and then if you're gonna mention this

1203
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:27,680
case but the chilean navy case

1204
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:30,320
uh this was a case that was studied by

1205
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:30,800
uh

1206
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:41,359
organization for studying ufos they

1207
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,560
actually have something

1208
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,560
that studies ufos when you go to their

1209
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:46,079
website they've got loads of cases that

1210
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,440
they solved

1211
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,440
uh so they're right a lot of the time

1212
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,599
yeah but on this one case

1213
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:54,400
they got it wrong they they prematurely

1214
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:55,200
eliminated

1215
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:57,040
the possibility of of this particular

1216
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,640
ufo being a plane

1217
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,960
turns out it was a plane and we could

1218
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:02,480
prove that just by looking at the the

1219
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:03,839
radar date and they were just looking in

1220
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,640
the wrong spot

1221
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,160
they thought you know the object was 40

1222
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:08,320
miles away he was actually 18 miles away

1223
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,920
simple mistake to make but they made the

1224
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,520
mistake and they spent two years looking

1225
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,960
into this case and

1226
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,280
eventually announced that it was this

1227
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:16,880
this big deal

1228
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,280
but yeah just because they were wrong on

1229
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,720
one case it doesn't mean they're wrong

1230
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,000
about everything

1231
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,000
i think the scu probably has done lots

1232
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:26,240
of great analysis on a wide variety of

1233
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,599
different cases but i think they're

1234
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:28,960
wrong about aguadilla and i think

1235
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,599
they're wrong

1236
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:32,079
about the nimitz video okay right that's

1237
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:32,960
fair enough

1238
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,839
this is your platform here now tonight

1239
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,440
to put out your viewpoints so

1240
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:39,520
i can't ask for anything more than that

1241
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,480
so

1242
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,640
you know with all these different cases

1243
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:44,160
and and then we bring it right up to

1244
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,839
today with these new

1245
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,599
things happening like the galileo

1246
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:49,200
project what are your views on on the

1247
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,480
galileo projects and

1248
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:53,040
and you know things like that it's very

1249
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:54,480
interesting uh you know they've already

1250
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:55,200
said they've got

1251
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:58,320
1.75 million dollars of funding from

1252
00:40:03,349 --> 00:39:59,440
anonymous donors

1253
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:03,359
um and yeah no one wants to see close-up

1254
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,920
video

1255
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:06,160
and close-up photos of ufos more than i

1256
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:07,680
do i do think that

1257
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,040
perhaps their focus on

1258
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,040
uh high definition photos is a bit

1259
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:14,800
misplaced

1260
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:17,920
i think if you really want to

1261
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,359
provide proof that there's something

1262
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:21,680
amazing going on up there

1263
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,839
then the best thing to do is is is

1264
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:25,680
triangulated video

1265
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,400
uh the you can just have multiple very

1266
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,160
cheap cameras in multiple low tech

1267
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,640
locations that you calibrate against the

1268
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:34,400
star field and the sun

1269
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,680
and you use them to triangulate from two

1270
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:39,440
or three different positions

1271
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,800
what you're looking at in the sky and

1272
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,560
get its path in the sky and you prove

1273
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,400
that it's an amazing craft

1274
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,319
but they're talking about putting these

1275
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:48,240
ridiculously expensive like thousands of

1276
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,680
dollars or even in some cases hundreds

1277
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:51,440
of thousands of dollars telescopes

1278
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,440
out there so they can get uh close-up

1279
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:58,480
uh photos and video of of whatever we're

1280
00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:59,440
looking at

1281
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,839
well you don't think that's worth it no

1282
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:03,599
i i think it's i think it's a waste of

1283
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,560
money

1284
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,119
uh it would be great if you could do it

1285
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,520
and you got something

1286
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,920
but most likely you're still going to

1287
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:13,599
get ambiguous photographs because you're

1288
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:15,040
just taking the photograph from one

1289
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:16,160
position you're just going to get a

1290
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,599
photograph of something and what are you

1291
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,200
going to get you're going to get like a

1292
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:20,960
silvery orb or something

1293
00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:23,599
which could be a a balloon or you could

1294
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:24,260
get like

1295
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,760
[Music]

1296
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,960
all manner of different types of

1297
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:28,640
balloons you see floating around in the

1298
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:29,839
sky

1299
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,800
uh or you could you know you could get a

1300
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,560
plane or you could get you know bird or

1301
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:36,000
something like that and because it's so

1302
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,040
far away

1303
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,359
atmospheric distortion will render the

1304
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,680
the the photos unusable

1305
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,920
i i just think it's putting the car

1306
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,839
before the horse

1307
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:47,280
the photographs themselves aren't going

1308
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:48,560
to establish that these things are

1309
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:49,280
moving with

1310
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,720
with incredible velocity because you're

1311
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,560
not going to have ranging data you're

1312
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,560
not going to have distance data

1313
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,560
um they said they're going to match it

1314
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,920
with um

1315
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:00,240
with with with radar as well or maybe

1316
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,920
have two telescopes next to each other

1317
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,200
to give stereo but that's not really

1318
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,359
going to give you the accuracy you need

1319
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,000
so yeah it's it'd be great sure they can

1320
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:09,599
spend their money on whatever they want

1321
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:11,119
and maybe they'll they'll take a

1322
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:13,040
photograph of something but i think

1323
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:15,040
if you want to prove to the world that

1324
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,240
ufos

1325
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,319
exist the way to do it is by

1326
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,240
triangulation

1327
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:22,000
because if you have a triangulated path

1328
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,280
of something moving at 4

1329
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:25,200
000 miles in the sky and making right

1330
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,720
angle turns and then hovering and then

1331
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,560
shooting up off into space

1332
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:31,119
that's it you proved it there's another

1333
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,560
blurry photograph

1334
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,880
and that's what they're going to end up

1335
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,720
with yeah i mean here's a comment from

1336
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:37,839
dan the signal

1337
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:40,319
avilope has said they are aware and will

1338
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:41,599
use triangulation

1339
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,560
so it does seem that that's been you

1340
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:45,920
know taken into account

1341
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:48,400
so yeah that'd be great but i think the

1342
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:49,440
focus is very much

1343
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,560
on uh taking megapixel

1344
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,560
uh well that's kind of a silly term

1345
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:56,240
because all photos are megapixel but

1346
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,760
uh very high resolution photographs

1347
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,920
of the ufo seems to be their their focus

1348
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:03,520
for in atmosphere studies and

1349
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,560
if they're going to use triangulation

1350
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:06,000
that's great i'm actually going to talk

1351
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,880
to

1352
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:09,119
arvie loeb next week and i'll discuss

1353
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:10,720
this with him

1354
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,160
is that going to be live for everyone to

1355
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:14,560
watch or is that a private conversation

1356
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,640
uh no it's it's going to really record

1357
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:18,240
it for the podcast but it'll be out the

1358
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,359
same day i think

1359
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:21,280
that will be very interesting to watch

1360
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,000
so we look forward to that absolutely um

1361
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:28,319
wrt all credible observers we know

1362
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:30,319
military in that train and rely on how

1363
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,640
much

1364
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,640
longer till the colossal weight of that

1365
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:34,480
circumstantial data tips

1366
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:37,760
skeptic scales how much longer critical

1367
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:38,000
so

1368
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,520
again this is just the you know the

1369
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,599
trained observer trope

1370
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,520
and this is you know i call it a trope

1371
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,760
because it is something that has been

1372
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:47,280
cropping up again and again in in

1373
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,839
ufology since the since 1947

1374
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,599
people say pilots are trained observers

1375
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,040
you get literally

1376
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,960
the same words these pilots are highly

1377
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,119
trained observers or highly trained

1378
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,480
professionals but i think you must

1379
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,160
understand why people say that because

1380
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:03,839
they say it because they could identify

1381
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,240
any other aircraft in the sky and they

1382
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:08,720
that is true you know from what i've

1383
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,920
seen and

1384
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:11,599
what we've heard they can identify

1385
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,040
aircraft but

1386
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:16,000
they can't identify a balloon there's

1387
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,440
been multiple cases where

1388
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,160
pilots have done things like uh mistaken

1389
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,480
venus for an oncoming plane

1390
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,520
i have even have anecdotes from people

1391
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:27,119
that told me the same thing so it's not

1392
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:27,920
like it's just like

1393
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:31,359
random cases it happens a lot i i myself

1394
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,160
have

1395
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:34,560
misidentified venus for an oncoming

1396
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,160
plane know from the ground sure

1397
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,720
but you know same type of thing there's

1398
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:40,640
been multiple cases where

1399
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:44,560
where pilots have um

1400
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,760
an intentional flight into terrain

1401
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,520
where they've flown into the sides of

1402
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:51,359
mountains uh

1403
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,560
should they know what mountains look

1404
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,400
like but people make mistakes sometimes

1405
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,079
it's it's very unfortunate

1406
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,079
sometimes yes so what is generational

1407
00:45:00,870 --> 00:45:00,160
awareness what if just one or two of

1408
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:00,880
these

1409
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,480
sightings let's say whether it be

1410
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:06,319
military or commercial pilots what if

1411
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:08,000
just one or two of them were genuinely

1412
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:08,960
anomalous

1413
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,319
would you know well i guess

1414
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,240
but are you open and this is probably a

1415
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:15,760
question i was going to leave probably a

1416
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,640
little bit longer but

1417
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,480
are you open to the fact that it could

1418
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,319
possibly be something

1419
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,560
whether it be extraterrestrial or

1420
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,839
something other

1421
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:26,079
that is from an external place

1422
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,440
absolutely absolutely

1423
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:30,000
i i'm very open to these these types of

1424
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,119
possibilities

1425
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,119
but i'm also very evidence driven but i

1426
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,040
understand like to roll things out

1427
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:38,079
and this is part of my investigation

1428
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:39,839
technique is to never rule anything out

1429
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:40,079
and

1430
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,440
something i kind of alluded to earlier

1431
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:43,119
with the chilean investigation they

1432
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:44,480
ruled out planes

1433
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,760
it's one of the first thing that rules

1434
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,760
out they looked at you know if it was a

1435
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,200
plane then it would be this and

1436
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:51,440
it isn't this so it's not a plane but

1437
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,720
they accidentally ruled it out they

1438
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,319
prematurely ruled it out

1439
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,920
so i like to keep everything on the list

1440
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,920
so i always keep things like

1441
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:59,920
advanced technology on the list or

1442
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:01,839
holograms on the list or

1443
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:05,040
alien spaceship on the list or alien

1444
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,920
probes

1445
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,359
that type of thing it's always a

1446
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,960
possibility

1447
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:11,200
and if new information comes along that

1448
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,800
demonstrates that's a more likely

1449
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,720
possibility or even a bit more likely

1450
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:16,160
than we thought in the past

1451
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,599
then yeah i'd definitely take another

1452
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:19,440
look at it yeah

1453
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:22,240
i go with what bubbles to the top of my

1454
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,680
list of possibilities

1455
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:26,160
and aliens generally don't bubble to the

1456
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,359
top

1457
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,200
so it doesn't mean i've ruled them out

1458
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:31,280
no and i've heard about your list

1459
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,720
thing before when i think when you

1460
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,720
appeared on the unidentified celebrity

1461
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,319
review with louis ximenez and michael

1462
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,599
mataloni i i

1463
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,440
you know i watched that and understood

1464
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,599
how you you form that list of

1465
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,920
most likely scenario all the way down to

1466
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:45,680
other possibilities

1467
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:48,960
um leads into this question when we

1468
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,800
talked about dave falch and chris leto

1469
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:52,400
and other people that deal with flair

1470
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:52,720
and

1471
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,240
anybody else

1472
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:59,040
to kind of verify or back up or compare

1473
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,160
notes with

1474
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,560
your analysis to kind of you know like a

1475
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,240
peer-reviewed sort of system

1476
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,400
yeah yeah yeah there's problem with that

1477
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:07,680
um

1478
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,920
is the app fleer system is classified

1479
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:11,440
i've talked to people

1480
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,280
who told me i was right and then they

1481
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:15,359
said you can't quote anything of what i

1482
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,480
just said

1483
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,000
and other people have told me they have

1484
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:19,760
talked to people who have said that i'm

1485
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,720
right but

1486
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:22,000
you know they can't quote anything that

1487
00:47:25,650 --> 00:47:30,630
[Music]

1488
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,230
oh some guy told me that i was right

1489
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,160
yeah it's stupid you know

1490
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:36,960
uh but i did have one interview with a

1491
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,680
technician

1492
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,319
who works on targeting pot posted that

1493
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:42,480
on medibank and i just did a transcript

1494
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,680
of it because he went into a lot of

1495
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,960
detail and he said

1496
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,720
you know essentially he thought i was

1497
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:48,480
correct and he explained his experience

1498
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,359
with these

1499
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:51,040
these things and that he do get these

1500
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:52,960
glares and these glares rotate when you

1501
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,440
when you press it past zero degrees but

1502
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,280
again he's a anonymous guy

1503
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:59,920
i've talked to people who have have have

1504
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:00,559
worked

1505
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:04,079
on um similar systems to this

1506
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:05,599
and they've agreed with you basically

1507
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,800
that's what you're saying right and no

1508
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,280
one's disagreed with me

1509
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:10,960
there the people who come up who

1510
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:13,119
disagree with me generally

1511
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:14,960
you know they don't understand the

1512
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:16,559
question which i know sounds ridiculous

1513
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,680
like you know me saying oh they just

1514
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:19,040
don't understand

1515
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:23,040
it sounds ridiculous it's clear from

1516
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,319
listening to them that they don't

1517
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,119
there's a guy called john earhart

1518
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,760
who was interviewed by jeremy corbell

1519
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:31,839
maybe like a year ago now i think

1520
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:35,760
sometime last year and johnny hurts

1521
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:37,839
kobel asked earhart like could the

1522
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:39,920
derotation mechanism make the glare

1523
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:40,720
rotates

1524
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:43,839
independently of the background

1525
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:46,000
and it hurt quite correctly so no that's

1526
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,599
totally impossible and he went into some

1527
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,839
detail as to why that was impossible

1528
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,599
dave falch gave the same explanation the

1529
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:53,280
other day but

1530
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:55,040
i've never said that this is this is an

1531
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,400
argument that i've never actually said

1532
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:57,520
so they're clearly

1533
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,720
they're debunking something that

1534
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,160
i never claim so they're not really

1535
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,880
understanding what the argument is

1536
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,319
you know the the de-rotation mechanism

1537
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:08,160
rotates the entire scene the glare is

1538
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,960
rotated

1539
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,800
relative to the horizon previous to that

1540
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:12,319
it's a completely different thing you

1541
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:13,040
know it's a

1542
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:14,240
technical thing that may be hard to

1543
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:16,079
understand but you'd expect these people

1544
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,839
being experts

1545
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,440
they would at least make the effort to

1546
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,040
try to understand the argument before

1547
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,359
they weighed in and start debunking it

1548
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,520
i mean i'm very happy i mean i i can't

1549
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,880
come back on that because i'm

1550
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:28,559
i wouldn't even know where to begin but

1551
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,760
i think it is important that you do

1552
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,960
mention things like that in this

1553
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,400
conversation because

1554
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:34,000
you know maybe other people who are

1555
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,440
familiar with these kind of systems may

1556
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,640
watch this

1557
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,880
and give me a call you know yeah and by

1558
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,640
all means give give me a call maybe we

1559
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,720
can do a panel discussion in the future

1560
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,240
i don't know but

1561
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,240
i think it warrants that's right i've

1562
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:48,480
tried i've emailed raytheon several

1563
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,119
times

1564
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:51,920
uh i've talked to uh you know other

1565
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,359
people you know that

1566
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:55,040
i tried to get lit things out of chris

1567
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,720
mellon and lou alexander and things like

1568
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:58,319
that but you know we don't want to talk

1569
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,200
about

1570
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,920
uh classified systems so which i mean it

1571
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,520
is understandable what about dave falch

1572
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:05,760
have you spoken to dave fulch

1573
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,559
uh not recently uh he blocked me on on

1574
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:11,040
twitter a while back

1575
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,040
i called him out eventually because he

1576
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,920
he was he was going on about

1577
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,680
the difference between heat and light

1578
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:19,200
and i was trying to explain that light

1579
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,800
is just infrared radiation and you can

1580
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,760
still get glare

1581
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,520
in one and you know it was perhaps a

1582
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,599
little bit uh

1583
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:27,760
and they're a little bit direct in my

1584
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,800
criticism

1585
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,720
of what he was saying and he got angry

1586
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,000
at me like a year ago

1587
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,559
and and blocked me and he's been blocked

1588
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,920
blocking me ever since

1589
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:37,200
but he hasn't he hasn't really changed

1590
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,920
his position he still doesn't understand

1591
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:40,400
uh

1592
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,599
the the rotation hypothesis and how it's

1593
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,040
nothing to do with the derotation

1594
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,200
mechanism rotating the glare

1595
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:49,680
uh so i'd i'd be fine talking to him

1596
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:50,559
i've talked to

1597
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,680
chris later yeah uh maybe i can do like

1598
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,599
i mean that's a bold statement that you

1599
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,440
just said there that he's wrong

1600
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,960
straight out like he's wrong and you

1601
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,640
know this is a guy who was in the video

1602
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,720
watch the video i posted it it's

1603
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,160
it's pretty straightforward it's not

1604
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,400
complicated i mean he thought that

1605
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,800
sapphire glass uh isn't used in

1606
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,400
targeting pods because

1607
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:12,400
it's it would block infrared radiation

1608
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,599
but it actually is

1609
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,680
sapphire is transparent to infrared

1610
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:17,200
radiation so it's used

1611
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:19,040
in targeting pods and you know chris

1612
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,960
knew this he brought this up because he

1613
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:23,280
he used the pod that used sapphire class

1614
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,800
so he doesn't know everything about

1615
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,480
uh about infrared he hasn't even worked

1616
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:28,240
on targeting pods before

1617
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,280
right uh dave cult he just worked on on

1618
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,040
you know the kind of

1619
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:35,119
yeah maybe the the things you see on

1620
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:36,559
military helicopters or something like

1621
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:37,440
that

1622
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,800
is what you're saying yeah the

1623
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:43,200
the the absolute targeting part is it's

1624
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:44,400
like a 22 million

1625
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:46,240
device you know to buy one costs 20

1626
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:47,920
million dollars it weighs like 800

1627
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:50,079
pounds it's a very specific thing and

1628
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:51,760
it's got all these different

1629
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:55,119
i talked to one guy who was uh

1630
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:56,640
who actually worked on it and he says

1631
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,240
it's very kind of siloed it's very

1632
00:52:00,630 --> 00:52:00,000
compartmentalized as to who works on

1633
00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:00,640
what

1634
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,319
so the people who do the testing don't

1635
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,800
really know that much about uh

1636
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:06,079
you know the maintenance and the

1637
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,200
maintenance guys don't know as much

1638
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,040
about the operations and the guys who

1639
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:11,040
who plug it into the plane don't know

1640
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,079
much about

1641
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:14,559
uh you know what it's actually used for

1642
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:15,520
the people who

1643
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:18,160
maintain the back of the pod don't know

1644
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,760
about the people who maintain the front

1645
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:21,040
of the pot so yeah

1646
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:22,319
they kind of deliberately keep this

1647
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:24,640
information like separated

1648
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:27,599
but yeah dave dave knows a bit about um

1649
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:29,280
servicing

1650
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,680
uh flea um cameras

1651
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:35,520
okay he doesn't really know about the

1652
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,800
app for your system

1653
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:38,800
fair enough that that's fair enough i'm

1654
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,920
just going to give a shout out to blue

1655
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:41,119
eyes thank you so much for the super

1656
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:42,559
sticker that means a lot

1657
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:52,150
yeah so mick

1658
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:55,520
i could probably talk about all the

1659
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,559
different cases but

1660
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:58,240
obviously me not being as knowledgeable

1661
00:53:03,670 --> 00:52:59,599
in in the mathematics and

1662
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,680
the science and the physics um

1663
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,440
what do i do is just throw a couple of

1664
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,040
cases at you that you might consider

1665
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:09,440
looking into if you haven't already

1666
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:12,480
one of them being the the japan um cargo

1667
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:12,960
flight

1668
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:20,000
i think it was with witnesses

1669
00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:24,000
co-pilots pilots we've got uh the tower

1670
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,839
speaking to the pilots some radar data

1671
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:28,319
apparently

1672
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,599
are you familiar with the case have you

1673
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:31,119
heard of it i think i've heard of it

1674
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:31,680
yeah but

1675
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,400
you know i've always had this version

1676
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:35,760
but

1677
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,319
it feels very unproductive to me to

1678
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,839
examine old cases

1679
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:41,680
because the often cases are being gone

1680
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,319
over by multiple people in the past

1681
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:46,480
and there's not a lot of data there

1682
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:47,359
because a lot of it

1683
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:50,240
is eyewitness accounts because you know

1684
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,200
back in the

1685
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:53,520
old days especially in the the 50s and

1686
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:56,000
60s but even into the 80s and 90s

1687
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:57,440
we didn't really have very good ways of

1688
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,200
recording things so when you

1689
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:01,040
see a video from the 80s it's this

1690
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:02,720
horrible blurry mess

1691
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,440
yeah and uh people weren't recording

1692
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:07,599
things like radar screens

1693
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,480
okay it was an analog system so there's

1694
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:12,319
not a lot of actual data there so you

1695
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:13,920
get a lot of

1696
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:16,400
eyewitness accounts and there's not a

1697
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:17,839
lot you can really do with it

1698
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,079
you know you can say yeah sure if if if

1699
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,400
this guy is 100 correct then he saw

1700
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,480
something moving really really fast but

1701
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,240
so then it's like how could this guy be

1702
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,559
wrong and

1703
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,920
because there's very little in the way

1704
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:32,000
of details there's not a lot i can do

1705
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,680
with it

1706
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:34,640
you're kind of saying you'd want

1707
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:36,880
something a bit more modern with video

1708
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,359
and

1709
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:40,079
stuff that you can actually analyze yeah

1710
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,880
i mean

1711
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,720
yeah these these cases like this japan

1712
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:44,480
case

1713
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:47,200
are they part of what you would consider

1714
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,799
the body of evidence that you'd like to

1715
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:50,559
present in court if you were making a

1716
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,200
case

1717
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:53,119
you know when it's not a court but if

1718
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,359
you wanted to persuade people

1719
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:58,079
there's hundreds of cases every time i

1720
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,880
go

1721
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:00,319
out there and start talking about it

1722
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,920
people start saying yeah but have you

1723
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,359
looked about this case

1724
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,559
what about jerusalem in 1973

1725
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,319
and yeah it's that's what i made up

1726
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:10,720
don't go looking for it

1727
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:12,880
but there's there's there's just an

1728
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:14,079
endless stream of them

1729
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,520
which ones are the best why why aren't

1730
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:17,680
these the best ones bubble to the top

1731
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,040
okay i see where i see what you're

1732
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,960
saying but let's then then touch upon

1733
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,839
one case

1734
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,280
which you have been talking about

1735
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,960
recently is the aerial school case from

1736
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:27,280
rural zimbabwe in 1994 which doesn't

1737
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:28,799
have any video or anything

1738
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,920
so i'm i'm interested as to why

1739
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,839
you'd want to touch on that case if it's

1740
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:35,680
there's no kind of video or anything

1741
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:38,400
i i don't really uh wanted to touch it

1742
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,200
and

1743
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,520
the reason i did is that people keep

1744
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:42,960
asking me to

1745
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,760
oh right so for i think for for a

1746
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:47,680
segment of the ufo community

1747
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,720
they feel that the aerial school case is

1748
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,480
the best evidence

1749
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:54,720
because it has such a large number of

1750
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:55,839
witnesses

1751
00:56:03,750 --> 00:55:59,680
and they all saw the the same thing

1752
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,760
apparently uh and so

1753
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,359
when people are asking me to look into

1754
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:07,760
it they're not asking me to investigate

1755
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,400
it

1756
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,640
right they're saying look at this case

1757
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,240
because it's so compelling

1758
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:14,400
they say mick if only you take some time

1759
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:15,920
to listen to the eyewitnesses in the

1760
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,359
aerial school case

1761
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,960
you'll be convinced that's essentially

1762
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,720
what they're saying

1763
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,880
but of course i'm not convinced and so i

1764
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,799
start looking into it and i start

1765
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,640
finding various issues like the

1766
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,079
differences in the accounts

1767
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,200
the fact that cynthia hind

1768
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,359
who wrote uh you know her accounts of

1769
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,040
the book she was she was the first one

1770
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,040
on the scene essentially i have a book

1771
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,079
right here uh ufos over africa

1772
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:42,720
on on the back of the book um it talks

1773
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:44,000
about her her

1774
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:45,760
interview technique he says her

1775
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:47,920
trademark is the extended and repeated

1776
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,720
interview

1777
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,480
where heretofore unretrieved and

1778
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,559
forgotten facts are often brought to the

1779
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:54,160
subject's conscious mind

1780
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,880
by gentle and persistent prodding now

1781
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,319
to show that to someone who's an expert

1782
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,839
in interviewing children and they say

1783
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:03,119
that's just a recipe

1784
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:04,720
for introducing false memories into the

1785
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,799
mind i i agree with that

1786
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,240
i agree with that to a degree but i've

1787
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:10,319
spoken to her colleague gunther offer

1788
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:12,000
who was there with her that day

1789
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:14,319
in quite a bit of detail i i interviewed

1790
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,920
him live on youtube i speak to him

1791
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:17,200
regularly behind the scenes

1792
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:20,160
so if you did want to look further or

1793
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:21,119
extrapolate on

1794
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:22,799
those kind of things i highly recommend

1795
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:32,710
yeah i suggest going there first

1796
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:36,880
let's say because i can understand why

1797
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,160
i mean yes one cynthia hein quote

1798
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:42,559
might point in the direction but that's

1799
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,839
that's kind of

1800
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:45,680
nice you look at the actual interviews

1801
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,119
we have we do a video

1802
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,520
of the interviews at least some of them

1803
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,960
we don't have all of them and we have

1804
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,319
only some of them a bunch of the

1805
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:54,960
pictures that the children drew and

1806
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:57,040
you know you see these discrepancies

1807
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:58,400
it's very easy to explain away

1808
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,440
discrepancies but

1809
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,920
i think you know something that's that's

1810
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,359
true about eyewitness accounts is that

1811
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:04,880
they vary a lot

1812
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,839
and for me what i think happened is

1813
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:09,599
essentially

1814
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,720
the children ended up relating a story i

1815
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:14,079
think something maybe happened like they

1816
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:15,200
saw a guy

1817
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,839
uh 200 meters away he say like maybe

1818
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,440
he's on his truck doing some welding or

1819
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:21,119
something like that and he's off there

1820
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:22,880
in the distance and someone points him

1821
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:25,119
out and someone says oh that's an alien

1822
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,480
because they're they were in the middle

1823
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,640
of a ufo flap some of the girls

1824
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,640
had seen what they thought was a ufo the

1825
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:32,160
day before and they were talking about

1826
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,760
what they thought was the ufo

1827
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:35,680
the description sounds like a plane

1828
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:37,599
might also have been part of this this

1829
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:40,480
uh meteor shower uh or it was just one

1830
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,000
big meteorite i think that broke up in

1831
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:43,920
the atmosphere at that time

1832
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:47,119
so they were kind of primed for for ufos

1833
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,480
and they start talking about it you know

1834
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:50,160
we saw an alien they tell their friends

1835
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,400
and

1836
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,440
they say oh yeah i saw it too

1837
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,040
and then it grows from there then

1838
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,880
they're there they

1839
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:58,720
they go home for the weekend you have to

1840
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:00,640
some of them have i've seen it and told

1841
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,920
the teachers about it they

1842
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:03,599
talk about it tell their parents cynthia

1843
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:05,119
hind actually calls some of the children

1844
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:06,079
at home

1845
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:07,440
that weekend they come back on the

1846
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,359
monday the head teacher says all right

1847
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:11,040
let's all draw pictures of what you saw

1848
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:12,079
the ufo

1849
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:14,799
uh flying saucer in the trees they'll

1850
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:16,559
draw pictures of a ufo flying saucer in

1851
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,839
the trees because they all have similar

1852
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,680
stories

1853
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,200
and then they're interviewed the next

1854
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:23,280
day on the tuesday by cynthia hind

1855
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,839
and the guy from the bbc and they're

1856
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:27,359
interviewing groups

1857
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:29,119
so they all hear the story of the person

1858
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:30,160
in front and then a lot of them just

1859
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,760
kind of repeat the same story and

1860
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:33,119
they've already heard the same story

1861
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:34,400
there's people standing in the doorway

1862
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,839
where else people are being interviewed

1863
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:37,680
that's not how you do it that's not how

1864
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:39,200
you try to figure out what children saw

1865
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:40,400
that's how you create

1866
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,559
memories and those false memories

1867
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:47,040
seem every bit as real as real memories

1868
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:48,079
my studies have

1869
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,559
shown and the fact that the children now

1870
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:52,240
are all grown up and they remember the

1871
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:54,319
the memories as if they're real just

1872
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,839
means that they are

1873
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,760
strong memories it doesn't mean they are

1874
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:59,359
true memories

1875
01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:00,799
and is that something you say i mean

1876
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:02,799
obviously you believe that that's more

1877
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:04,079
likely the case than

1878
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,520
all of the stories and the

1879
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:07,440
investigations done and that's fair

1880
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:08,480
enough that is

1881
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,160
again i'll reiterate this why i wanted

1882
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:11,760
to speak to you today is to get your

1883
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,559
opinions

1884
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:14,240
i'm not here to argue against them

1885
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:15,599
because you know

1886
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:17,040
this conversation will probably keep

1887
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,880
going on as it has done for the past few

1888
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:21,119
months for many many months to come

1889
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:24,480
just wanted to get your currency let's

1890
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:24,720
ask

1891
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:27,359
you a quick question on that though

1892
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,640
you're a

1893
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:30,960
ufologist and you're kind of a bit more

1894
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:32,960
in the believing ufos or

1895
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,079
are alien visitors yeah cam than i am

1896
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:38,960
uh are you worried that you're gonna get

1897
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:42,559
some pushback from giving me a platform

1898
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,280
i already have yesterday like yeah if

1899
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:47,040
you give mcquest a platform then you

1900
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:48,960
should resign from ufo twitter

1901
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:51,280
i already have but i'm not i'm not

1902
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,240
worried about that

1903
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:54,799
i'm i'm not here for anybody else other

1904
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:56,240
than what i'm doing

1905
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:59,680
i'm i'm not a convinced this is this and

1906
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:01,119
this is that

1907
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:04,480
yes i believe there are

1908
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,319
things out there so no i you know

1909
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:10,480
i'm very open to every uh every idea and

1910
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:11,440
possibility

1911
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:14,640
and i just want the conversation

1912
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:16,000
to continue the fact that you're in this

1913
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:17,280
conversation doesn't mean that you're

1914
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:17,839
any less

1915
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,079
valid even if i'll admit i disagree with

1916
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:24,079
pretty much most of what you say but i

1917
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,440
can't argue with it because i'm not

1918
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:27,280
mathematically or fit i'm not into the

1919
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:28,799
physics side of things

1920
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:30,960
but it doesn't mean i don't i instantly

1921
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:32,960
hate you you know people portray you as

1922
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:34,720
this pantomime villain and stuff like

1923
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,680
that like

1924
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:37,440
i think that's a bit petty sometimes

1925
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:38,960
because we're all entitled to our own

1926
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:40,960
opinions and viewpoints um

1927
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:42,640
you're very convinced that what you've

1928
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:44,559
done and shown is

1929
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:47,680
you believe it to be gospel maybe that's

1930
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,400
fine

1931
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:50,640
yeah i wouldn't say gospel you know what

1932
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:52,160
you know what i mean i'm trying to come

1933
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,040
up with something

1934
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:55,359
and i i think that i'm right about you

1935
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,240
know the

1936
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:58,880
there's a variety of cases out there and

1937
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,160
some of them have more information than

1938
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:02,160
others and so i i would say i'm

1939
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:05,119
much more confident that uh say the the

1940
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:06,559
green pyramid

1941
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:09,520
uh case is actually just a plane then i

1942
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,240
am

1943
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,720
saying that uh david fravis saw a

1944
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,920
balloon

1945
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:15,760
simply because one case uh has much more

1946
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:17,599
actual data than the other

1947
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:19,760
yeah i mean that's the thing is i i if i

1948
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:21,680
was to come here for this interview to

1949
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,000
be

1950
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:24,000
argumentative and say yeah you're wrong

1951
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:25,440
i would have to come with

1952
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,319
proper good backup arguments which i

1953
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,880
simply cannot do because i'm not

1954
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,720
you know i don't have that knowledge of

1955
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:34,400
the mathematics and the physics

1956
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,079
but what i wanted to do was to speak to

1957
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:38,559
you just to give you

1958
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:41,760
your opportunity on my channel to

1959
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:45,359
give a current estimation or

1960
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:47,599
hypothesis on where you're at and this

1961
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:49,039
pretty much leads into

1962
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:52,319
my big final question is what is your

1963
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:52,960
end goal

1964
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:54,960
and where do you go from here do you see

1965
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:56,000
yourself sticking with

1966
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:00,240
the ufo subject is there an end goal

1967
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:03,440
no i don't have an end goal uh i i enjoy

1968
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:06,720
investigating ufos um

1969
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:08,960
let's see what will be my end goal in in

1970
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:10,480
context of ufology

1971
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:14,000
i think i will i'll write a book about

1972
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:17,200
my experience with ufos

1973
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:19,119
and that'll be something i can kind of

1974
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:20,720
refer to when people ask me

1975
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,559
like all these questions and

1976
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:26,319
we're going to continue to see ufo

1977
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:28,160
reports because

1978
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,599
we've got this you know this low

1979
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:31,440
information zone that's a certain

1980
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:33,280
distance you can't figure out what

1981
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:35,839
what something is and so there's going

1982
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,400
to be an endless stream of

1983
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:40,960
ufo videos to analyze i'd like to

1984
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:41,520
continue

1985
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:43,119
having fun doing that and i would like

1986
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:44,559
to

1987
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:50,720
ways of identifying ufo videos like

1988
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,280
maybe do some video analysis software

1989
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:55,680
uh maybe contribute to like projects

1990
01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:56,640
where people are trying to do

1991
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:58,319
triangulation with

1992
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:00,160
networks of cheap cameras that type of

1993
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:02,799
thing uh but i don't really have an end

1994
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:03,359
goal

1995
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:05,839
are you saying the end because we can't

1996
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:08,000
you can't disprove the et hypothesis

1997
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:08,640
it's literally

1998
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:12,400
impossible and the reason that the uap

1999
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:12,960
report

2000
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:16,400
didn't rule out aliens

2001
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:19,200
is because it's literally impossible to

2002
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:20,319
rule out aliens

2003
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:23,039
as a cause of if you see a white dot in

2004
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:24,000
the sky

2005
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:26,880
and it's moving along you can't rule out

2006
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:28,079
that that's an alien

2007
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:31,119
spaceship or an alien earthship

2008
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,720
uh because it could be so of course you

2009
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:34,000
can't rule these things out so it's

2010
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:35,599
never gonna go away

2011
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:37,839
so my end goal can't be to prove that

2012
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:41,039
aliens don't exist

2013
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:44,480
so my end goal is just to help

2014
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:47,680
out where possible in investigating ufos

2015
01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:49,359
i think what i'm trying to get at is

2016
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:51,680
that we we see this kind of

2017
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:54,319
ball of ufology or as you put it

2018
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:56,079
ufologists there

2019
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:57,680
have all different ideas around this

2020
01:05:01,829 --> 01:05:00,000
circle but you seem to be on the

2021
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:01,839
outskirts and people have pushed you out

2022
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:02,799
there now

2023
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:05,599
do you feel separated from the community

2024
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:06,720
because you have such

2025
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:09,200
different views because it does seem

2026
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:10,559
that way from from an outside

2027
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:11,440
perspective and

2028
01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:13,119
is that something that you feel like

2029
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:14,480
maybe you could

2030
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:16,319
change an approach i'm not saying change

2031
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:18,319
the way you analyze things but change

2032
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:19,440
the way you

2033
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:22,319
put things across do do you know where

2034
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:23,280
i'm coming from it's

2035
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:26,000
you know i do i do and uh uh but you

2036
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:27,520
know here i am i'm talking to you

2037
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:29,440
i've been on the the unidentified

2038
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:32,000
celebrity review i've been on a variety

2039
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:33,760
of different ufo podcasts and i've had a

2040
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:34,799
lot of

2041
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:36,640
people from the ufo community on my own

2042
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:38,480
podcast and i interact with people all

2043
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:39,680
the time on twitter

2044
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:40,960
yeah but sure there's a whole bunch of

2045
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:43,280
people who really dislike me

2046
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:45,920
and i i think that's unfortunate i mean

2047
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:46,880
partly that's

2048
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:49,520
my fault because uh my manner is perhaps

2049
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:51,039
not always uh the most

2050
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:53,599
most friendly when i talk to people but

2051
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:55,200
i am a friendly guy

2052
01:06:02,150 --> 01:05:58,720
uh yeah and i have

2053
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:02,160
what's been described as resting mcface

2054
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:10,390
and and yeah and on twitter

2055
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,400
i'm often tempted it's not tempted but i

2056
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:14,880
do give short answers sometimes and

2057
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:17,520
they can come across the wrong way and

2058
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:19,680
sometimes perhaps a bit too declarative

2059
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:23,200
and definitive in in my my answers

2060
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:26,240
so yeah if i if i

2061
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:29,920
want to i guess build relationships

2062
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:32,559
as a goal then perhaps it'd be better to

2063
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:33,359
to do

2064
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:36,559
here a bit more kid gloves but

2065
01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:39,680
my goal isn't really just relationships

2066
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,440
it's not about being nice to people it's

2067
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:43,280
no it's not but it does go a long way in

2068
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:44,880
this community when we're so

2069
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,920
it's and i think i have been doing that

2070
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:49,200
you know i've been reaching out

2071
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:51,839
to people like i i do appear on on shows

2072
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:52,880
like this and then

2073
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:55,760
people who watch your show will see me

2074
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:56,559
and a lot of them

2075
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:58,079
are going to see like saying yeah mick

2076
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:00,640
west is an he you know he's

2077
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:02,480
he's just lying to you he's trying to

2078
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:05,200
use reverse psychology on you

2079
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,720
you know he doesn't he's an idiot he

2080
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:08,160
doesn't know what he's talking about

2081
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:09,440
it's because

2082
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,760
it's hard to get through to people but

2083
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:13,680
yeah i'm essentially just some guy who

2084
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:17,200
enjoys analyzing ufo videos and i'm of

2085
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:18,960
the opinion that the evidence isn't very

2086
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:21,680
good for the et hypothesis but i'm open

2087
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:23,359
to new evidence and that's that's about

2088
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:24,480
it really

2089
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:27,599
i get that that's i'm just going to um

2090
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,799
just bring up this comment i just

2091
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:30,480
donated one million euros and vinnie

2092
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:31,440
won't ask my question

2093
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:33,680
max i'm so sorry but i've just scrolled

2094
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:34,720
up

2095
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:36,400
and i don't see your question i saw a

2096
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:37,760
little yellow dot at the top of the

2097
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,640
screen earlier

2098
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:40,559
and when i clicked it nothing came up

2099
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:42,160
and now it's gone so i apologize

2100
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:44,319
this is my colleague max keep the

2101
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:45,280
million euros

2102
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:48,240
so yeah max um listen bro we'll just go

2103
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:48,720
on a

2104
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:50,640
a world tour for a few years with that

2105
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:51,760
million euros bro

2106
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:54,880
so it's all good um mick

2107
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,440
i think i think you've answered all my

2108
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,280
questions i will let the rest of the

2109
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:01,520
community judge it for what it is

2110
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:03,200
but what i this is kind of another thing

2111
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:05,119
is that i don't think you're a horrible

2112
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:06,880
person and all these things that people

2113
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:07,520
say

2114
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:08,960
yes you have opinions that people

2115
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:11,920
disagree with and

2116
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:13,920
i could probably go on a bit about that

2117
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:16,000
even but this isn't for me

2118
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:19,040
to decide this is me to just check in

2119
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:19,520
with you

2120
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:21,440
see what your views are on things at

2121
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:22,880
this current date

2122
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:24,239
and let's just see what happens in the

2123
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:25,920
future maybe we'll talk a few months

2124
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:27,279
down the line

2125
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:30,560
your points will be really proven valid

2126
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:31,920
maybe they won't maybe it'll be the

2127
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:34,560
opposite who knows but you know

2128
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:38,000
this is what i wanted to do there we are

2129
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,279
it's as simple as that there's no

2130
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:40,880
ulterior motive so

2131
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:42,480
that's great it's great shouldn't give

2132
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:44,400
me

2133
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:48,960
that great personal cost on ufo twitter

2134
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:50,960
but that's the thing it's not about me

2135
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,600
it really isn't i'm just here to

2136
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:55,279
look into the subject and if people hate

2137
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,080
me for it that's their problem not mine

2138
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:00,480
and i'm i'm i'm open to people if people

2139
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:02,560
want my dms are currently open they get

2140
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:04,319
a little bit busy sometimes but you can

2141
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:06,080
dm me on twitter you can email

2142
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:09,199
me makeup mcquest.com uh if you anybody

2143
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:10,080
wants to

2144
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:12,080
follow up on these these questions like

2145
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:13,520
you know go for it maybe do a little

2146
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:14,799
search first to make sure i haven't

2147
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:15,759
already answered it but

2148
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,679
even then i'm just happy to talk to

2149
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:19,920
people if i have the time

2150
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:21,839
well listen mig what i'd like to do then

2151
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:23,359
in that case because you're very open to

2152
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,560
the discussion is

2153
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,960
maybe we will have like a a a panel

2154
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,560
discussion in the future

2155
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:30,960
i'll try and get some flair people in if

2156
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,199
if i can but if not just

2157
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:35,040
if not other people from around the ufo

2158
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:36,400
community maybe that you haven't

2159
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,679
interacted with before

2160
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:39,199
um and obviously i'll make sure it's a

2161
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,960
platform where it's just not mudslinging

2162
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:42,799
but it is just a genuine conversation

2163
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:44,080
from different aspects

2164
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:45,520
if you'd be up for that i would love to

2165
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:47,440
have you back in the future

2166
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:50,080
thank you yeah yeah there you go that's

2167
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:50,960
great

2168
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:52,640
so listen mick thank you so much for

2169
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:54,239
joining me and enjoy the rest of your

2170
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:56,239
day in sully california

2171
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:59,040
um so yeah take care until next time

2172
01:10:04,310 --> 01:09:59,760
thank you mick

2173
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:07,910
guys thank you so much for watching um

2174
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:09,760
uh yeah i didn't get a chance to read

2175
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:11,120
any of your comments i really

2176
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:13,520
appreciate you all being here though and

2177
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:16,000
i know a lot of you are going to

2178
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:17,360
probably say you should have gone in on

2179
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,159
this you should have gone in on that

2180
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:22,480
maybe i should have but i wanted to

2181
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:24,080
bring mikhan to give his point of view

2182
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:24,880
across

2183
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:27,760
then you guys can go away and discuss it

2184
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:28,080
and

2185
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:30,560
put your views out on it you know i'm

2186
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,320
not a confrontational guy i don't have

2187
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:34,080
the backing the mathematics the physics

2188
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:36,480
to come at mick with counter arguments

2189
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,760
i think you could see from a lot of my

2190
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:39,520
facial expressions that i disagreed with

2191
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,360
a lot of the things he said

2192
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:43,920
so yeah this was a tough one for me you

2193
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:45,520
know i really challenged myself with

2194
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,880
this but um

2195
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:48,400
you know what all you guys i'm gonna

2196
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:50,800
jump onto instagram live in about

2197
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:53,440
10 15 minutes i'd love for you to kind

2198
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:54,560
of

2199
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:57,520
come and discuss it with me because you

2200
01:11:03,110 --> 01:10:58,320
know

2201
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:03,120
i'm confused but thank you mick west i

2202
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,630
thank you guys uh yeah i'm gonna get

2203
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:10,560
some for this

2204
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:13,440
i don't care but guys listen join me on

2205
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,000
instagram live in about 15 minutes time

2206
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:18,719
maybe 10 minutes and let's discuss it i

2207
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:20,320
want to get some of you on in fact so

2208
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:22,000
don't be shy to come and talk to me

2209
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:24,080
max if you're still here i'd love to i

2210
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:25,600
love you to come on man and let's talk

2211
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,480
about how we're going to spend those

2212
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:28,320
million euros that you donated to me bro

2213
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:29,199
but guys

2214
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:32,080
thank you so much for watching this um

2215
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:33,679
yeah

2216
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:36,159
andy i see you here bro hey good to see

2217
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:36,880
you all

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i was just like yeah let's talk about it

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on instagram thank you mick west

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guys till uh next time i think where are

2221
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:47,199
we friday night two days time i've got

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mr jeremy

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mcgowan joining me live on youtube so

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back to my normal kind of comfortable

2225
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interviews because that was not

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comfortable